Our conversation about the many questions that abolitionist organizers need to answer in order to create the future we need continues. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss a ‘zine by Interrupting Criminalization called “Abolition & the State: Responses Vol. 1”, which engages abolitionists and scholars in sharing their reflections on the questions raised in Abolition & the State: A Discussion Tool, and what we continue to learn from this great resource in our continued learning and unlearning work for abolition, social justice, and collective liberation. Listen to this episode here or wherever you podcast!