Abolition, #defund, and the work and fight for collective liberation are necessary in order to build a better world for all of us. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the book Defund: Conversations toward Abolition by Calvin John Smiley, which is a collection of conversations between Smiley and several abolitionist organizers and leaders reflecting on various aspects of the defund movement and how it has influenced abolition from their respective perspectives, communities, and work, as well as their hopes and vision for the future of the movement, and what we learn and take away from this incredible book in our continued work for collective liberation. Listen to this episode here or wherever you podcast!